In this conversation, Anthony Thirlby, Steffen Franzisi, and Morten B. Reitoft review 2024 and discuss 2025. However, we have also invited ChatGPT 4o, which can now listen and—well—engage with us. It is interesting to see how technology may be used in debates like this sooner or later. We could have set better rules for ChatGPT in advance, but this is the default version. Maybe you will be surprised—we were!