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Though the need for an automated workflow is becoming universal, there’s no one-size-fits all solution. The Book Smart Suite is an automated end-to-end solution designed to increase the efficiency of book printing. This package of proven automated workflow, press, media and finishing solutions is tailored to meet the needs of book manufacturers and publishers, while opening the door for commercial printers looking to expand into the digital production book market. Book iX combines the varioPRINT iX-series inkjet color digital press and Inline Finishing with Conveyance Workflow’s intuitive business rules, enables the batching of incoming work orders by similar job groupings, applies dynamic impositions, creates barcodes for cover and text block authentication, routes and tracks order items to appropriate devices, and helps maintain the integrity and order status communication via JDF/JMF protocol. During this session, you will learn about the Book iX end-to-end digital book manufacturing solution, the newest addition to the Book Smart Suite. Speakers for this session are: Allen Filson · Jane Nerf · Jeff Sarringar · Dennis Soucy · Nick Thorne

The next industrial revolution has already arrived. With a continuing surge in new technology and data analytics, the first generation of Industry 4.0 is rapidly making automation essential on the Production Print floor. Meanwhile, we continue to evolve towards the fifth industrial revolution focused on mass customization and personalization for customers. Though the need for an automated workflow is becoming universal, there’s no one-size-fits all solution. Jobs flow differently in commercial print shops than they do in high-volume transactional data centers, direct mail houses, or book manufacturing. During this session, you will hear from industry experts from Canon the advantages of automating the entire production print process from start to finish. Speaker for this session are: Allen Filson · Jane Nerf · Dennis Soucy · Nick Thorne

How does web-to-print solutions influences the Smart Factory presented by Devia Software

Inkjet is becoming an essential part of tomorrow's print. In this Smart Factory session, Kim Beswick from Memjet and Victor Abergel from MGI takes you through why the Smart Factory depends on new printing technology, as well!

Hunkeler has been a pioneer, together with partners like Horizon International, integrating post press with advanced automation. Morten Reitoft will moderate a wide-ranging discussion between Hans Gut of Hunkeler and Mark Hunt of Standard Finishing Systems to review state-of-the-industry in Smart Manufacturing, and how lean principles, process automation and intelligent connectivity are guiding post press product development. To stay competitive today, printers are looking to lower labor costs, minimize touch points and streamline data-driven production workflows. Hunkeler solutions address nearly every print market segment – commercial, direct mail, book manufacturing and transactional print – so this lively exchange of ideas will cover lots of ground.

Learn how the Internet of Things, finishing automation, and Horizon’s cloud-based iCE LiNK digital workflow can help optimize productivity and efficiency, and leverage Smart Factory concepts. This approach can help printers efficiently scale their business as volume grows, without having to add labor and hard-to-find manpower. Understanding finishing capabilities and successfully using them as part of an overall, streamlined workflow, from print to finish, will help minimize touch points, waste, and labor costs, and maximize productivity and profitability.

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Smart Factories need powerful MIS systems to automate & communicate, where is it going? - By Geert Van Damme, CERM.

Most people think of Web-to-Print as the huge online stores like Flyer Alarm, Onlineprinters, Saxo Print, Vistaprint and others - but there are many other options - let’s talk about the API’s - different business models, and more… Morten Reitoft, INKISH

Pro Print in Dallas has decided to spend money on the best solutions for the future - how, what goes into it, and how does that make sense business-wise? - By Diego Diaz.

Connecting hardware from different vendors may not be as easy as it sounds - so how will this be done? - Steve Metcalf, Baldwin Technologies.

What is a Digital Mindset, and how will it impact the printing industry in the future?

Is it as easy as some will say, to develop a new business plan, including web-to-print, automation, and implement afterward? - Kaylene Lloyd & Morten Reitoft

How do IoT devices connect to different brands and types of technology, and how will software enable smarter solutions?

How does web-to-print solutions influences the Smart Factory and wherein the flow do you see the future of web-to-print - Douglas Gibson, Infigo Software

How can printing companies use HP Digital Solutions software to drive business - by Tim Webster HP Solutions with Ulrich Schätzl, Simon Smogur, Jon Tolley, and Chris Knighton.

The Smart Factory and the Industrial Revolution - by Yves d’Aviau de Ternay, Jacques Michiels & Morten B. Reitoft

How can printing companies use HP Digital Solutions software to drive business - by Kirk Lewis and Tim Webster demoing the use of HP Siteflow.

How to start and what steps to take in order to grow a Smart Factory & can it be a game changer in the printing industry? By Luc Peeters, Drukkerij Peeters nv.

How IoT will support the Smart Factory - Yasuo Taketsugu, Horizon International.

Will, the printing machines in the future, be fully automated, and how will the robots support that mission? - By Henrik Christiansen, HCH Graphics.

How does the typical customer journey looks, and what is the value in the short/long term? - by Jacob Hededam Hummel & Anthony Thirlby.

In this film, Yui Kawano from Canon Marketing shows an end-to-end solution together with Yasuo Taketsugu from Horizon International. This is a brilliant example of how workflow & automation enable printers to automate the entire print and binding process. This film also shows the amazing power behind JDF, where not only files but also production data is delivered directly from an MIS system. The entire production workflow is managed in the JDF and setup printer as well as the binder.

At the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto, we got the chance to talk to Raymon Duval from Ultimate Technographics, and as you can hear and see in this INKISH film, he is as positive about the event as we are. Ultimate TechnoGraphics has been around for some time and is known for, among other automation solutions, Impostrip. We hope to bring you more film from these great people in the nearby future :-) In the meanwhile - enjoy the interview with Raymond Duval.

This is our video documentation of the third- and last day at Think Smart Factory. Clearly fewer people at the show-floor, but still good. That is good for us since it gives us more space at the stations with demonstrations. Today we got the chance to do a longer interview with General Manager Yoji "Joe" Otsuka from SCREEN, and we have a short snippet of our conversation with him in this daily show report. We hope you enjoyed the films we have published so far, and you can for sure look forward to some great interviews, great presentations of technology, and well a factory tour from Horizon. We can't wait to show you!

The second day at the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto was as good as the first one - maybe even better. Many people at the show-floor, exciting presentations, and a chance to dig into even more of the workflows. In our first film, we promised to show you all ten stations here, but there are simply too many people around the stations to do this in a 'live' style. So we have recorded all ten stations, will make them into separate films that you can enjoy one by one afterwards.

Robots is an indispensable part of the Industry 4.0 future, and of course, Think Smart Factory in Kyoto show a few options. Here its the S-Cart from Nidec used on the show-floor. Enjoy the self-driving future :-)

What a start. Think Smart Factory is a new event, and without comparison, one of the best-executed events we have ever attended. Think Smart Factory is an event where all focus is on showing end-to-end solutions. There are ten different stations where you can see the flows from the paper intake to the output of a finished product. Clearly inspired by Hunkeler Innovationdays where it's also about equipment, but with an even more expressed dedication to show the entire workflow. This is a rare opportunity to see the entire process from when a job-ticket is created to the finished product delivered. But check out of show-report and look forward to seeing all ten workflows presented here on INKISH. Expect also interesting interviews with industry leaders from the show floor. Finally, you will get a new show report every day, and also articles on NEWS. Enjoy!

Think Smart Factory is an upcoming event in Kyoto, Japan. As you can hear in this presentation, of the event, by Yoshihiro Oe, General Manager from Horizon International, the event is not so much like an exhibition. Rather than having booths where each exhibitor presents its products and services, Smart Factory is an opportunity to see equipment working together and see end-to-end productions. The "end-to-end" also includes the workflow part that is typically before print, of course. The event is developed by a group of companies including: Canon Marketing Japan. Inc. / DAC ENGINEERING Co., Ltd. / FUJIFILM Global Graphic Systems Co., Ltd. / goof, inc. / HP Japan Inc. / Hunkeler AG / JSPIRITS Inc. / KONICA MINOLTA JAPAN, INC. / RESOLOGIC. Inc. / Ricoh Japan Co., Ltd. / RYOBI MHI Graphic Technology Ltd. / SCREEN Graphic Solutions Co., Ltd. / TECNAU INKISH will be covering the event, and we can't wait to get to Kyoto. As Yoshihiro Oe also states in this interview, Kyoto is wonderful this time a year. Hope to see you there!

This event is all about the ideas surrounding a Smart Factory and Industry 4.0; thoughts for how print and digital factories will inject innovation, intelligence and hyper-productivity. But hold on there partner, in order to get to 4.0, you need to make sure you are leveraging technologies that will help you get there. In this session, with our guests, we will talk about how you should “walk your workflow” and take note of where you have manual processes, slowdowns and bottlenecks, where there are opportunities to consolidate technologies or update with more capable, feature-rich solutions. Then we will offer you ideas for how to take this information and chart a smart path to your Smart Factory Industry 4.0. And this session will benefit any organizations dealing with print...digital or both types of product delivery channels. More specifically, we will also share some views on how PDF is becoming the defacto print and electronic standard for a multitude of industries and communication types.

Everybody is shouting for labor, but what is the long-term solution to the labor shortage? In hall two at IGAS, one booth looked considerably different from all the other booths. There was an education stage sponsored by several OEMs and branded Think Smart Factory. On stage during the day's many presentations, but outside the stage area, there was a technology show-off with a Horizon BQ-binder and an HT-three-side knife wrapped in a cool anima-style design. The solution was entirely managed by two robot arms and one AGV. Bryan Takano from Horizon explains that it's a technology show-off to show young people about opportunities in the printing industry. By combining art and technology, more will likely be interested. Behind the technology show-off, a huge fantastic painting was shown. In front, some really cool, very large print samples using different technologies were among the draws for the passing audience. But see for yourself, Jan Majnik (INKISH Filmer) captured some really nice views of both!

At PRINTING United, we got a chance to meet with Colin Flinn from Horizon USA. We first met Colin Flinn back at the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto, where he surprised us by being fluent in both Japanese and English. We have also met Flinn at several online events LIVE from Japan, where he and his team has built up a comprehensive online/offline demo facility - but now it's at PRINTING United where Colin Flinn demonstrates Horizon's new Gauze, End Paper, and bar code printing capabilities, enabling customers to use the BQ-series binders for softcover AND book blocks for hardcover books - quite amazing, but see for yourself :-)

This is our first cherry blossom season here at our new facility. We just moved north of Kyoto onto the shores of Lake Biwa. We opened up the new Horizon Innovation Park. And that's where myself and the Horizon International team are now located. Right now, we can do demonstrations on every Horizon system. Some people would say that the printing industry is declining. We would say that it's changing. It's undergoing an evolution. Or it's more short run, more variable, more digital. The Japanese spirit is all about going from the smallest bit to the largest finished product, all in-house. Everything from the rollers to the circuit boards are produced right here. It was in 2019 when we held the first "Think Smart Factory" in Kyoto, Japan. What we want to show, automated solutions integrated from prepress to your press to your finishing in order to optimize your workflow. And what our workers can do during assembly is they can call those little robots to go to the warehouse, bring the necessary parts that they need. Our customers want to really feel the paper for themselves. They want to see the finished product. Here, the machines operating. As manufacturers, we want to present solutions and hear from our customers. Right now that's not always an option. Since the beginning, we've been adopting the newest technologies to be able to replicate that experience. They never expected that they would get this high quality. It's also opening up new doors. Because we get to take them on tours of our facility. Which you would never get to do when you're just at a trade show. Right now, we have a new training zone. Where we can have people from all over the world come and get hands on training with the machines. But when that's not an option, we have a training team here to help them out when they're in a pinch.

At the Smart Factory USA event November 16th, 12:00 PM ET, Diego Diaz, we will show attendees all the workflow components by sending a job through from A to Z - and then explain the steps one-by-one - so learning by seeing. The training will be presented by one of the best workflow people we know of, Diego Diaz. The Virtual Smart Factory is a LIVE presentation of how things are done, and you should have a lot of takeaways from this double session at the Smart Factory USA edition.

What is the Smart Factory or Industry 4.0? In this opening session, David Zwang and WhatTheyThink will give you a look into what this is. Not only What They Think, but spiced with a lot of knowledge from one of America's very best. Do look forward to hearing David Zwang give you an introduction to why this is important for any printer!

Technology development in the graphics arts sector is in full expansion. Smart factory, Print Industrie 4.0 focuses on digital technologies that stimulate the inter-connectivity between printing companies, promote and bring them together with “strategic” partners. Classic models that acted as intermediaries between supply and demand, buyers and sellers, are being replaced by scenarios of transparent networked digital technology. The result: Suppliers, producers and consumers find each other (to a large extent) automatically. Business processes, services, product offering and communication will also become transparent and interactive in equal measure. What does this mean in concrete terms for the graphics industry in the Benelux and in Europe? INTERVIEW with some of the speakers at the VIGC congress 2020 Jan De Roeck (Marketing Director ESKO) Dirk Deroo ( Founder & CEO Dataline solutions) Toon Van Rossum ( Product Manager Enfocus) Jos Steutelings ( Managing Director VIGC ) *Next year’s VIGC CONGRESS is scheduled for October 14th 2021. --- NL: De technologieontwikkeling in de grafische sector is in volle expansie. Smart factory, Print Industrie 4.0 legt de focus op digitale technologieën die de inter-connectiviteit van grafische bedrijven onderling, en die met “strategische” partners bevorderen en samenbrengen. Klassieke modellen die fungeerden als intermediair tussen vraag en aanbod, kopers en verkopers, worden vervangen door scenario’s van transparant genetwerkte digitale technologie. Het resultaat: Leveranciers, producenten en consumenten vinden elkaar (voor een groot deel) automatisch. Bedrijfsprocessen, diensten, productaanbod en communicatie worden in gelijke mate ook transparant en interactief. Wat betekent dit nu concreet voor de grafische industrie in de Benelux en in Europa? INTERVIEW met enkele sprekers van het VIGC congres 2020 Jan De Roeck (Marketing Director ESKO) Dirk Deroo ( Founder & CEO Dataline solutions) Toon Van Rossum ( Product Manager Enfocus) Jos Steutelings ( Managing Director VIGC ) * Het VIGC-CONGRES van volgend jaar staat gepland op 14 oktober 2021.

When we talk about the smart factory approach in the print sector, the starting point is a functioning ERP system that is specifically geared towards future requirements. State-of-the-art cloud technologies open up completely new perspectives, as Mathias Erlandsson, founder and CEO of Omikai Systems AB explains in an Over the Skye conversation with Andreas Weber, CEO INKISH D-A-CH. "The requirements in Sweden are very similar to those in the DA-CH region“, explains Matthias. It depends on ease of use, transparency in all areas and a kind of omnichannel availability of the structured data that is dedicated to the needs of a successful and sustainable print business. It’s not only about production, but also management and administration, and above all about a much better go-to-market. The most important thing is not to have to deal with technology any more, but rather to develop the right digital mindset: Open, flexible. thinking ahead, geared towards the context and collaboration. The two conversation partners consequently open a dialogue that anyone interested can join. --- Wenn wir über Smart Factory im Print-Sektor sprechen, so ist der Ausgangspunkt ein funktionierendes, ganz spezifisch auf zukünftige Anforderungen ausgerichtetes ERP-System. Hier ergeben sich durch zeitgemäße Cloud-Technologien ganz neue Perspektiven, wie Mathias Erlandsson, Gründer und CEO von Omikai Systems AB im Over the Skye-Gespräch mit Andreas Weber, CEO INKISH D-A-CH, erläutert. „Die Anforderungen in Schweden sind denen in der D-A-CH-Region sehr ähnlich“, legt Matthias dar. Es komme auf Einfachheit bei der Nutzung, Transparenz in allen Bereichen und eine Art Omnichannel-Verfügbarkeit der strukturiert aufbereiteten Daten an, die beim Geschäft mit Print anfallen. Und das nicht nur in der Produktion, sondern auch in Management und Administration, und vor allem beim Go-to-Market. Das Wichtigste sei nicht, sich noch mehr mit Technologie beschäftigen zu müssen, sondern den richtigen Digital Mindset zu entwickeln: Offen, flexibel, vorausdenkend, auf den Kontext und auf Kollaboration ausgerichtet. Die beiden Gesprächspartner eröffnen folgerichtig einen Dialog, dem sich alle Interessierten anschließen können. LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathias-erlandsson-aa780b15/

To establish a smart factory a digital mindset and 360-degree business solutions are needed. We present our interpretation of a smart factory with the goal of full automation of repetitive task and a self-optimizing production. The scope is not limited to the digitalization of production and print data workflows or to automate production lines with smart and connected machines but includes the sales process, customer communication and enterprise resource planning. To make it tangible, we discuss a potential end-2-end business solution using the example of a personalized face mask and cookie box from the creation of a business idea to the shipped product – from Pixel to Output.

English Subtitled. Technology development in the graphic arts sector is in full expansion. Smart factory, Print Industry 4.0 focuses on digital technologies that facilitate the inter-connectivity between printing companies among themselves and those with their preferred “strategic” EXTERNAL partners. Classic models that acted as intermediaries between supply and demand, buyers and sellers, are being replaced by scenarios of transparent networked digital technology. The result: Suppliers, producers and consumers find each other (to a large extent) automatically. Business processes, services, product offerings and communication will also become transparent and interactive in equal measure. What does this mean in concrete terms for the graphic arts industry in Europe? Well, the focus is shifting from the usual INTERNAL optimizations and digitization of our value creation and production processes (rather the 3.0 model), to OPEN and EXTERNAL networked Industry 4.0-compliant “Partnerships”, with those who can deliver added value, expertise and connectivity in the graphic value chain. All this under the collective name “Print 4.0”. For those looking for more information on this topic, I invite you to read our articles about this on INKISH.NEWS: https://inkish.news/article/NDcy Also watch our video series “Replays” about the INKISH Smart Factory - PRINT4.0 Webinar, packed with valuable insights and interviews with specialists and Industry leaders: https://inkish.tv/playlists/smart-factory-replays/ --- De technologieontwikkeling in de grafische sector is in volle expansie. Smart factory, Print Industrie 4.0 legt de focus op digitale technologieën die de inter-connectiviteit van grafische bedrijven onderling, en die met “strategische” EXTERNE partners bevorderen en samenbrengen. Klassieke modellen die fungeerden als intermediair tussen vraag en aanbod, kopers en verkopers, worden vervangen door scenario’s van transparant genetwerkte digitale technologie. Het resultaat: Leveranciers, producenten en consumenten vinden elkaar (voor een groot deel) automatisch. Bedrijfsprocessen, diensten, productaanbod en communicatie worden in gelijke mate ook transparant en interactief. Wat betekent dit nu concreet voor de grafische industrie in Europa? Wel, de focus wordt verlegd van de gebruikelijke INTERNE-optimalisaties en digitalisering van onze waarde creatie en productieprocessen (eerder het 3.0-model), naar OPEN en EXTERN genetwerkte Industrie 4.0-compliant “Partnerships”, met diegene die meerwaarde, expertise en connectiviteit kunnen leveren in de grafische waardeketen. Dit alles onder de verzamelnaam “Print 4.0”. Voor wie meer informatie zoekt over dit onderwerp, nodig ik uit om onze artikels hierover te lezen op INKISH.NEWS: https://inkish.news/article/NDcy Bekijk ook onze videoreeks in “Replays” over het INKISH Smart Factory - PRINT4.0 Webinar, boordevol waardevolle insights en interviews met specialisten en Industry leaders: https://inkish.tv/playlists/smart-factory-replays/

At the Think Smart Factory Event in Kyoto, we found this presentation of a simple-to-use screen printing solution - also produced by Horizon. Everybody talks about highly technical solutions and the move to digital print. Still, for hobbyists and for small shops, the basic investment and the time to produce a garment with print isn't high or time-consuming. This film also shows the craftsmanship that is the foundation of many of the products we produce. We like this short video showing t-shirt print 100% analogue.

Yoji Otsuka is the General Manager, Sales for Screen Graphic Solutions. In this conversation, he speaks over his American name "Joe" that he also uses on his business card, but more importantly how Screen has become one of the leading and most prominent suppliers of Inkjet presses. Screen Graphic Solutions was founded in 1943, but has roots back to 1868 - so what did Screen do before producing Inkjet machines? Yoji "Joe" Otsuka explains that the legacy of Screen's products and services are important elements in why Screen has become so popular. As we mentioned on numerous occasions before - we LOVE the Conversations format where editor Morten Reitoft have a longer and always very friendly conversation with a guest. We met with Yoji Otsuka at the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto last year - enjoy it. It's a good one!

At the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto, we got the chance to talk to VP Marketing & Partnering, Hans Gut from Hunkeler. Hunkeler and Horizon have been working together for years, and of course, it makes sense for both companies to exhibit at each other's events like Think Smart Factory and Hunkeler Innovationdays. Where Hunkeler has focused on reel-based finishing equipment, Horizon has focused on sheets - and of course, their equipment interfaces with both printers, and other finishing equipment. In this interview, Hans Gut speaks about the automation opportunities, and that the need for even more automation is a huge demand from printers. Enjoy this interview!

Mark Hunt is the Director of Strategic Alliances from Standard Finishing Solutions. Standard Finishing Solution is the American distributor of Horizon and Hunkeler, and we met him at the Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto. In this INKISH interview, Mark Hunt speaks about the transition both Hunkeler and Horizon have been in since they started working with both companies many years ago. Obviously, the market has changed, and in the interview, Mark Hunt concludes that both companies are VERY well fit for the future of digital printing. Enjoy!

At the recent Think Smart Factory event in Kyoto, Japan, we got the chance to talk to General Manager, Global Business, Yoshihiro Oe. In this film, we talk about the event itself obviously, but we also get the chance to talk about what has led to automation. As Yoshihiro Oe explains developing many different machines is one thing, but tomorrows demand for automation, and smarter factories require the development of new technology. After seeing and experiencing both the Horizon factory as well as the Think Smart Factory event, we at INKISH are pretty convinced that Horizon and their partners are onto something that will be a gamechanger in the binding industry. Enjoy the film - and the many that will follow in the following days!

Over The Skype with Jacques Michiels, CEO INKISH Benelux https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacquesmichiels-benelux/ The INKISH webinar series on #SmartFactory / Industry 4.0 in the team of Yves d'Aviau de Ternay, CEO INKISH France, Morten B. Reitoft, INKISH HQ and Jacques Michiels, CEO INKISH BENELUX, sets standards. Indeed, the experts have made a lot of plans to develop future scenarios for the print industry. The conversation was about the following questions: - What is it that drives you? How do you get it? - Where are we standing? Where do we have to go? - What exactly is important about the #SmartFactory? What is it all about? - What are the benefits for print shops? - What are the total findings from the webinar series? - What are the most important recommendations for action that can be derived? The webinar concept is very extensive and quite complex. But it's not just a topic from experts for experts. What is the best way to get started in order to optimally deal with the situation? Our colleague Rainer Wagner from LATAM noted that the topic of AI / artificial intelligence was neglected. Is that correct? Is it still too far from thinking in the print industry? How will you and Yves follow up on the topic? What happens next? The answers are extremely conclusive and extremely interesting. But see for yourself! --- Over The Skype mit Jacques Michiels, CEO INKISH Benelux https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacquesmichiels-benelux/ Die INKISH Webinar-Reihe zu #SmartFactory / Industrie 4.0 im Team von Yves d'Aviau de Ternay, CEO INKISH France, Morten B. Reitoft, INKISH HQ und Jacques Michiels, CEO INKISH BENELUX, setzt Massstäbe. Die Experten haben sich in der Tat viel vorgenommen, um Zukunfts-Szenarien für die Print-Branche zu entwickeln. Das Gespräch rankte sich um folgende Fragen: - Was treibt Euch an? Wie kommt ihr drauf? - Wo stehen wir? Wo müssen wir hin? - Was genau ist am Thema #SmartFactory wichtig? Was verbirgt sich dahinter? - Welcher Nutzen entsteht für Druckereien? - Was sind die Erkenntnisse aus der Webinar-Reihe in Summe? - Welches sind die wichtigsten Handlungs-Empfehlungen, die sich ableiten lassen? Das Webinar-Konzept ist sehr umfangreich und durchaus komplex. Aber es sit ja nicht nur ein Thema von Experten für Experten. Wie findet man am besten den Einstieg, um sich mit der Sachlage optimal auseinanderzusetzen? Unser Kollege Rainer Wagner aus LATAM merkte an, dass ihm das Thema AI / Künstliche Intelligenz zu kurz gekommen ist. Stimmt das? Ist es vielleicht noch zu weit weg vom Denken in der Print-Branche? Wie werden Yves und Du das Thema weiterverfolgen? Was passiert als nächstes? Die Antworten sind äußerst schlüssig und hochinteressant. Aber sehen Sie selbst!